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Monday, August 01, 2022

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In a letter written to James Madison from Paris just after the French Revolution had broken out, Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) argues that any Constitution expires after 19 years and must be renewed if it is not to become “an act of force and not of right”:

The question Whether one generation of men has a right to bind another, seems never to have been started either on this or our side of the water… (But) be­tween society and society, or generation and generation there is no municipal obligation, no umpire but the law of nature. We seem not to have perceived that, by the law of nature, one generation is to another as one independant nation to another… On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a per­petual constitution, or even a per­petual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation… Every constitution, then, and every law, natu­rally expires at the end of 19. years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force and not of right.

The year the U.S. Constitution was ratified was also the year the French Revo­lution broke out and Thomas Jefferson was there to witness it. In this letter to James Madison, Jefferson asks whether or not “one generation of men has a right to bind another,” either in the form of a financial debt or a political obli­gation to obey a constitution of laws not contracted by that individual. He comes to the surprising conclusion that any constitution (the American included) has to lapse roughly after every generation (actually, based on his calculations, every 19 years) since it was first signed and ratified. Thus, the American Constitution should lapse and become null and void in 1808. Jefferson believed in the princi­ple that “the earth belongs to the living and not to the dead” which meant that previous generations could not bind the current gener­ation to pay their debts, or require them to work in their father’s occupation, or to accept the laws and constitution drawn up by their ancestors. In his mind, “no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law”. The only “umpire” between the generations was the law of nature.”


Why the hell hasn't this been done??




OMFG! I need to be careful what I wish for. Infidel753 just informed me that repugliCON legislators (and their big money donors) are working on just that. It's absolutely terri­fying. Click on link...

Some Republicans Want a New Constitution

What might such a new Constitution do? Here's a small sample of the exciting possibilities:

  • Declare that personhood begins at conception and killing a fetus is murder punishable by death
  • Ban any federal or state laws that in any way limit gun ownership
  • Declare that marriage is only between one biological male and one biological female
  • Repeal the 14th Amendment (with its equal rights provision)
  • Require that the federal budget is balanced every year
  • State that the federal government may not tax people's incomes
  • State that the federal government may not play any role in determining what is taught in schools
  • Allow the president to declare an emergency, send Congress home, and rule by decree
  • Declare that Christianity is the national religion
  • Declare that English is the official language and all government proceedings must be only in English
  • State that "forced savings" programs, like Social Security, are unconstitutional
  • Provide that only persons born on U.S. soil of two citizen parents are U.S. citizens (and retroactively)
  • Cap the number of states at 50 and declare that new states cannot be created or admitted
  • State that all limits on campaign funding are unconstitutional
  • Declare that all currently ratified treaties are null and void and have to be re-approved by the Senate
  • Repeal the 17th Amendment and have state legislatures once again pick the senators
  • Allow any state to nullify any federal law the state legislature disapproves of
  • Give each state one vote in the House of Representatives, no matter how big its delegation is
  • Based on the above, give each state three electoral votes
  • Limit the power of the federal government to very few things
  • Make the amendment process more difficult (e.g., four-fifths of the states need to ratify)
  • Abolish the civil service and give the president power to fire any civil servant
  • Establish term limits for all federal and state offices and also for civil servants

And much more. The sky is the limit. The core idea would be to reduce the federal government to something more like the Swiss federal government, with the states holding all the real power. It would be conservative nirvana, without all the fuss of passing two dozen amendments.

How realistic is this? Well, interested state legislators met yesterday as the Academy of States 3.0 in Denver to plan the convention. Would the states go along with this? Quite a few have already done so. Here is a map of them.



There are a few more links in the article.

11 comments:

Infidel753 said...

These guys are working on it. You'll love all the new Constitutional changes they have in mind.

SickoRicko said...

Infidel - OMFG!! Thank you for that link. I need to incorporate that into this post. Sheesh, I guess I should be careful what I wish for.

whkattk said...

That is Steve Bannon's wet dream. That is what he has been trying to do here - and elsewhere in the world: Essentially, dismantle the "administrative state," i.e., the United States, the United Kingdom, and the European Union.

SickoRicko said...

Pat - I am apoplectic over this!

luv chocolate said...

Yikes!!! What is going to happen in the U.S.A.? I'm glad I live in Canada! I like Mary Trump and did Thomas Jefferson actually say that about the Constitution being rewritten? sounds good.

Anonymous said...

Just look at the executive lineup, every one of them is older and white. 2 white women and the rest white men over 50. Makes Steve Bannon look liberal. The problem is obvious, there’s unlimited conservative money to buy this convention cheap. I’m looking at countries to emigrate. Even Jimmy Carter has publicly stated that we live in an oligarchy now. This convention will try and turn us into an autocratic dictatorship. Think Putin and Russia.

SickoRicko said...

Luv - That's what the link said. Do you need a roommate? No, no, I'm joking.

Anon@4:26pm - It ain't a bright future as far as I can see.

taurus9311 said...

Humm...never thought I'd be happy saying I'm 81 years old and maybe miss all this. Ugh.

Infidel753 said...

Don't forget that even if a Constitutional convention happened, any amendment it proposed would still need to be approved by the legislatures of 38 states in order to actually become part of the Constitution. None of the really nutty stuff would clear that bar -- we don't have 38 solid-red states, and state legislators need to worry about their constituents not re-electing them.

As to your original question of why this hasn't been done, Jefferson's personal opinions don't have the force of law. If the Constitution had been written to include a provision that it expires after twenty years and has to be renewed or replaced, then that would indeed have happened, but it doesn't contain any such provision.

uptonking said...

Crazy stuff. I just need another 30 years or so on this planet. Can I just make it through without ending up going to a concentration camp?

SickoRicko said...

Taurus - Congratulations on such a milestone! I'm 71 and feel the same.

Infidel - You always manage to bring me back from the edge. Thank you for that!